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Hi lads. Thanks for all your help!

Everytime I've had a question it’s always been talked about and answered on here already.

So I thought I’d better join and put up one of those really long posts that gets on everyones tits! But basically to sum up all I've got from the forum in case any one else doesn't initially find Ktm 690 smcr all they're cracked up to be and sells before they really find out! I think there's a fair few too, judging by all the ones I keep seeing up for sale with just a few hundred miles on!

......Got in to supermoto bikes by mistake after breaking my knee cap September (2015) first time out on new mx bike, ktm 350 sxf, awesome bike, shit knee protection! Desperate to get back on it but too painful for mx so bought some 17" wheels....Had a LOAD of fun on the back roads (and back wheel :) )but obvious it was gonna blow up pretty quick. So, Google search: best road going supermoto.....ktm forum....ktm 690 smcr.... Cheers lads!

Bought a 2014 old stock brand new one in late December (2015) 6k + vat, good deal, well happy :) !

But......Proper hooligan toy?.....proper disappointed :(

If you've bought one, took it up the road and thought the same, DO NOT GIVE UP!!!!! They need a bit of time and work:

What I’ve learned so far......

1st: (cheapest and most important!) -1 tooth front sprocket. Makes a good difference but +2 on the rear too makes a big difference again (keep telling them! You know who you are!) I went -1 +3 in the end. Is a completely different bike after and will just about clutch up in 4th now :) Still will do 100 mph + Factory gear ratio MILES too tall!

2nd: Make sure mapping switch is on 2! Not a huge difference but definately noticeable.

3rd: The full Evo 1 kit AND map although pricey does make a good difference too. I tried a wings end can first, sounds great but that's it. (Nice one for all your posts on Evo 1 and 2 kits!) Sounds the bollocks too!!

Oh yeah!! Make sure your dealers don't also employ the chuckle brothers and they don't upload the restrictive map ! Yeah happened to me too. Even after I told them in advance what Fowlers did to one forum member! 120 mile round trip twice, cheers Bell ends!!

4th: Don't try and rev these bikes for more power! You'll go right through the power band and make them feel slower than they actually are. The power is really really low in the revs so short shift! (Takes a little bit of getting used to!)


And last: Don't forget these are specialist bikes for specialist roads/tracks like all other bikes. A Gsxr 1000 is useless around an mx track, just as a ktm 350 is useless around Silverstone! They have a proper niche too, it can just be a bit difficult to tap in to the unknown.

But when you do find the right roads, tight and twisty it's mega fun, as good as mx or track days. All the roads I hate on a superbike I love on this thing, and there's a lot of them, right on your doorstep.

I am well in to this bike now and I ride it like the big road going mx/supermoto bike it is, it always makes me laugh!

Thanks to everyone else on the supermoto section of the forum you've all helped :)

(....I wrote the above a long long time ago, sometime in 2016 I think, but never got around to joining/posting it. Left stuck in phones notebook! Early last year I went a big step further so thought I’d better and finally got around to it!....)


Continued......

5th: The biggest difference by a MILE completely transforming the bike in to exactly what it should’ve always been. The Evo 2 camshaft, Power commander V and dynojet remap (at your nearest dynojet approved mapping center).The kit comes with the o2 sensor delete too.

There is some confusion that the power commander V doesn’t fit the Smcr models but Dynojet were absolutely adamant that they had one to fit the Enduro R models (abs 2014 onwards). Same bike, checked with Ktm. I’ve run a good 1500 + miles with this set up now with no problems at all.

There is also some confusion that the Evo 2 cam doesn’t fit the Smcr 2014 onwards models either. But it does. The Evo 2 kit they supply with the cam is designed for the earlier models so takes a bit of tweaking to fit the later ones. Cam definately fits and works like a dream.....

The gains are massive, nearly 10 rear wheel horsepower! Doesn’t sound much, but in reality is huge. Power delivery is way smoother, no surges or flat spots, engine runs a lot more freely. Felt suffocated before, the power band dropping off way before the rev limiter and almost coming in too early, now pulls hard all the way to the top, right through the gears, including top. Although the power does come in a little later, the power band feels much much wider, is much more user friendly and there’s no need for short shifting anymore. It now revs like it should.

I have had a play side by side with a friends 450 exc with supermoto wheels before and after the cam/pcv install. Before, similar in acceleration, 690 obviously better top end. Now no match 690 pulls away effortlessly. Clutch up wheelies used to be around 30-35 mph, 3rd or just about 4th gear, (on flat) now happy to clutch up 50-55 mph 4th gear (on flat) and happy at 70-80 mph on the back wheel in 4th in the meat of the power.

.....Oh and for shits and giggles, or if you want seamless shifting on the back wheel, the Pcv for these models accept the linear type dynojet quickshifter so just plug and play, it just adds massively to the fun factor!

Roughly what it costs:

Pcv £350 ish
Evo 2 kit and cam £400 ish
Dynojet remap £150ish
Cam install (inc engine in and out) £300 ish
Dynojet quickshifter £200ish

If you take the engine out yourself, any competent Mx or road bike mechanic can do the cam install for you to save a bit of money. But my local Dynojet guy (who actually builds and modifies race bike engines all day long!) offered me the whole lot for £450 all in as a drop off, pick up done service. Couldn’t argue!!??

Have done the usual weight saving mods and a few others:
Obviously exhaust off (weighs a ton!).
Lithium battery.
Tailtidy, wing mirrors, chain guards, indicators off.
Airbox and a few other bits removed with Evo 2 kit install.
Carbon heel guards and lower fork guards (actually more to look a bit nicer than the black plastic ones).

Plus a few other things I really like:
Black Sm pro wheels with orange hubs.
Scott’s steering damper with BRP sub mount (absolutely essential for those hard landings and rougher roads)
Renthal twin walls, McGrath bend to accommodate damper.
Shorty levers
Grip heaters (fit under existing grips) an absolute must!!

Will try and find time to upload some pics.....


Well that’s what I know so far...hope it helps!!!!

The differences between this bike now and at the start are straropheres apart and I absolutely fucking love it!! Can’t wait for the dry roads as I’m sure you all are......
 

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Ha ha! ? Awesome, thanks for the welcome! It’s all true I promise.......well worth the hard earned!!
 

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That’s a fair 2nd post mate! You’ve gone hard early!
I didn’t read it, wayyyy too long, but I bet it shits on my dribble.
 

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Welcome in ....you know everything by the looks of it ....first post that bollocks :eek:

No pics ?
 
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It was funny, what can I say!

Ok, the short version for those who can’t be arsed to read it all! (Fair enough!)

The Power commander V (with o2 sensor delete included) and the Evo 2 cam fit the 2014 onwards Smcr 690 (abs model) and work like a dream. Ran for 1500 miles with no probs. Runs MILES better, TONS more power and SHIT LOADS more fun!!!

If that’s still too much reading then Mr mechanico Lee is right! You are a fuckwit...:):)
 

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Hi lads. Thanks for all your help!

Everytime I've had a question it’s always been talked about and answered on here already.

So I thought I’d better join and put up one of those really long posts that gets on everyones tits! But basically to sum up all I've got from the forum in case any one else doesn't initially find Ktm 690 smcr all they're cracked up to be and sells before they really find out! I think there's a fair few too, judging by all the ones I keep seeing up for sale with just a few hundred miles on!

......Got in to supermoto bikes by mistake after breaking my knee cap September (2015) first time out on new mx bike, ktm 350 sxf, awesome bike, shit knee protection! Desperate to get back on it but too painful for mx so bought some 17" wheels....Had a LOAD of fun on the back roads (and back wheel :) )but obvious it was gonna blow up pretty quick. So, Google search: best road going supermoto.....ktm forum....ktm 690 smcr.... Cheers lads!

Bought a 2014 old stock brand new one in late December (2015) 6k + vat, good deal, well happy :) !

But......Proper hooligan toy?.....proper disappointed :(

If you've bought one, took it up the road and thought the same, DO NOT GIVE UP!!!!! They need a bit of time and work:

What I’ve learned so far......

1st: (cheapest and most important!) -1 tooth front sprocket. Makes a good difference but +2 on the rear too makes a big difference again (keep telling them! You know who you are!) I went -1 +3 in the end. Is a completely different bike after and will just about clutch up in 4th now :) Still will do 100 mph + Factory gear ratio MILES too tall!

2nd: Make sure mapping switch is on 2! Not a huge difference but definately noticeable.

3rd: The full Evo 1 kit AND map although pricey does make a good difference too. I tried a wings end can first, sounds great but that's it. (Nice one for all your posts on Evo 1 and 2 kits!) Sounds the bollocks too!!

Oh yeah!! Make sure your dealers don't also employ the chuckle brothers and they don't upload the restrictive map ! Yeah happened to me too. Even after I told them in advance what Fowlers did to one forum member! 120 mile round trip twice, cheers Bell ends!!

4th: Don't try and rev these bikes for more power! You'll go right through the power band and make them feel slower than they actually are. The power is really really low in the revs so short shift! (Takes a little bit of getting used to!)


And last: Don't forget these are specialist bikes for specialist roads/tracks like all other bikes. A Gsxr 1000 is useless around an mx track, just as a ktm 350 is useless around Silverstone! They have a proper niche too, it can just be a bit difficult to tap in to the unknown.

But when you do find the right roads, tight and twisty it's mega fun, as good as mx or track days. All the roads I hate on a superbike I love on this thing, and there's a lot of them, right on your doorstep.

I am well in to this bike now and I ride it like the big road going mx/supermoto bike it is, it always makes me laugh!

Thanks to everyone else on the supermoto section of the forum you've all helped :)

(....I wrote the above a long long time ago, sometime in 2016 I think, but never got around to joining/posting it. Left stuck in phones notebook! Early last year I went a big step further so thought I’d better and finally got around to it!....)


Continued......

5th: The biggest difference by a MILE completely transforming the bike in to exactly what it should’ve always been. The Evo 2 camshaft, Power commander V and dynojet remap (at your nearest dynojet approved mapping center).The kit comes with the o2 sensor delete too.

There is some confusion that the power commander V doesn’t fit the Smcr models but Dynojet were absolutely adamant that they had one to fit the Enduro R models (abs 2014 onwards). Same bike, checked with Ktm. I’ve run a good 1500 + miles with this set up now with no problems at all.

There is also some confusion that the Evo 2 cam doesn’t fit the Smcr 2014 onwards models either. But it does. The Evo 2 kit they supply with the cam is designed for the earlier models so takes a bit of tweaking to fit the later ones. Cam definately fits and works like a dream.....

The gains are massive, nearly 10 rear wheel horsepower! Doesn’t sound much, but in reality is huge. Power delivery is way smoother, no surges or flat spots, engine runs a lot more freely. Felt suffocated before, the power band dropping off way before the rev limiter and almost coming in too early, now pulls hard all the way to the top, right through the gears, including top. Although the power does come in a little later, the power band feels much much wider, is much more user friendly and there’s no need for short shifting anymore. It now revs like it should.

I have had a play side by side with a friends 450 exc with supermoto wheels before and after the cam/pcv install. Before, similar in acceleration, 690 obviously better top end. Now no match 690 pulls away effortlessly. Clutch up wheelies used to be around 30-35 mph, 3rd or just about 4th gear, (on flat) now happy to clutch up 50-55 mph 4th gear (on flat) and happy at 70-80 mph on the back wheel in 4th in the meat of the power.

.....Oh and for shits and giggles, or if you want seamless shifting on the back wheel, the Pcv for these models accept the linear type dynojet quickshifter so just plug and play, it just adds massively to the fun factor!

Roughly what it costs:

Pcv £350 ish
Evo 2 kit and cam £400 ish
Dynojet remap £150ish
Cam install (inc engine in and out) £300 ish
Dynojet quickshifter £200ish

If you take the engine out yourself, any competent Mx or road bike mechanic can do the cam install for you to save a bit of money. But my local Dynojet guy (who actually builds and modifies race bike engines all day long!) offered me the whole lot for £450 all in as a drop off, pick up done service. Couldn’t argue!!??

Have done the usual weight saving mods and a few others:
Obviously exhaust off (weighs a ton!).
Lithium battery.
Tailtidy, wing mirrors, chain guards, indicators off.
Airbox and a few other bits removed with Evo 2 kit install.
Carbon heel guards and lower fork guards (actually more to look a bit nicer than the black plastic ones).

Plus a few other things I really like:
Black Sm pro wheels with orange hubs.
Scott’s steering damper with BRP sub mount (absolutely essential for those hard landings and rougher roads)
Renthal twin walls, McGrath bend to accommodate damper.
Shorty levers
Grip heaters (fit under existing grips) an absolute must!!

Will try and find time to upload some pics.....


Well that’s what I know so far...hope it helps!!!!

The differences between this bike now and at the start are straropheres apart and I absolutely fucking love it!! Can’t wait for the dry roads as I’m sure you all are......
After reading all that...I'd say your gonna be one of those folk that want more for a 2nd hand smc than they are new ....how much you got in it ?
 

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It was funny, what can I say!

Ok, the short version for those who can’t be arsed to read it all! (Fair enough!)

The Power commander V (with o2 sensor delete included) and the Evo 2 cam fit the 2014 onwards Smcr 690 (abs model) and work like a dream. Ran for 1500 miles with no probs. Runs MILES better, TONS more power and SHIT LOADS more fun!!!

If that’s still too much reading then Mr mechanico Lee is right! You are a fuckwit...:):)
What's your feedback on the cam ? It kills the bottom end and gives more up top from trusted sources
 

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Hey Slugger. No def does not ‘kill’ the bottom end, affects it a little for sure but it’s marginal compared to the big gains from 5000 rpm onwards. Still has plenty down low. The main surge, if you like, comes in about 1000 rpm later but is way way stronger and doesn’t tail off.

Is a much better power curve, gears feel longer, bike revs out to limiter like it should. Honestly, bags more power. The bit you lose down low you never think of again.....
 

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...oh yeah sorry, spent a lot of hard earned on it, prob over 11k. Don’t regret a penny of it though, done in managable chunks, bit of finance, bit of cash, etc, best fun bike I’ve ever owned. Can’t ever imagine selling it!!....
 

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“If that’s still too much reading then Mr mechanico Lee is right! You are a fuckwit...”

Nah , nah , nah Slugshaft not a fuckwitt ....he does not say ‘ I brought it ‘ he says “ I bowt it “ ....it’s Wigan talk a tell thee .

Yes I heard that the cam sort of looses a bit of the bottom end grunt but a madder top end rush , suppose a good tune file would help , I would like to have a blast on one with a cam to see what it’s about , i had a 2012 plate Smcr myself I think they had the most aggressive feel to them , then twin spark was smoother i think .

Sluggers husky 701 does not feel like a single , that new engine really does smooth out the vibes , it sort of has a double stage to its power .....goes and then goes again and revs harder .

Over the dales and back lanes them 690s and 701 are mega fun but obviously would never keep up with a 950 sm ............
 

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950 sm 190 kg 90 rwhp = 473 bhp per ton.

690 smcr (with cam, etc) 140 kg 65 rwhp = 464 bhp per ton

There only a fried breakfast in that race on the twisties I reckon!!

Bit heavy in the corners those 950’s I’ve heard too, ha ha !! :) :) :) :)
 

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Where you from Andy
 

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On the welsh border matey. Roads are mint around here for the 690, hardly a car on the roads after 6:30 on a week night and virtually copper free :) :)
 

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950 sm 190 kg 90 rwhp = 473 bhp per ton.

690 smcr (with cam, etc) 140 kg 65 rwhp = 464 bhp per ton

There only a fried breakfast in that race on the twisties I reckon!!

Bit heavy in the corners those 950’s I’ve heard too, ha ha !! :) :) :) :)
It’s a bigger difference in bhp/tonne as soon as you add 80kg of rider though.
 

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Yeah that’s true.

It’s 333bhp/ton vs 295bhp/ton in the favour of the 950 then. Inclusive of the riders.

Could factor in all sorts of other things but hopefully he’s just a BIG bastard!! :)
 

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My twopennyworth

As soon as the Air temp is regularly below 10C move onto "Wets" (Maxis Goldspeed road legal or Avon Extreme's).

Needless to say, they are great in the Wet - but for me the real winner is virtually no warmup time (most of my SMC rides are short blasts) and a much more predictable "letting go" than the usual summer stickies in low temperatures
 
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