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A bit like aerobatic planes :) I'd still prefer my old S2B to the Extras and Giles if I was just flying for fun. Horses for courses I guess.
 

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It's blindingly obvious that the whole cycling industry is out to rape the fuck out of middle aged men with too much money and younger guys that like spending money on their hobby. You only have to compare to Mx/enduro to see that the MTB/cycling world is making a fortune.

I'm eyeing up e-mtbs and they do make sense but they are obscene money.

However, I can see the appeal now I've been out a few times. Being able to go pretty much where you want, when you want and get a good workout is an attractive selling point. I had a good ride today and on an e-mtb it would have been as fun as any greenlaning I've done.

On that note, I did some more decent (but very slow and gnarly) trails today. Really enjoyed it and let the bike crack on with me just hanging off the back. I'm already quite impressed by what it will do.

The only issues are my fitness, and my head seeing a four inch root and instinctively thinking "the suspension will handle that" like my enduro bike... Didn't quite go over the bars though....

I think I could get used to this and can see why people enjoy it as much as trail riding.
 

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Hey Al_Orange, You have a fantastic bike but maybe its not set up for you?? weight:air pressure:sag/rebound even the lock out might be on!! Its easy to get all the info online and well worth checking it out, any good cycle shop should also help with info. Your core will get a workout on an MTB and your balance will improve.......... both will help your enduro so dont give up!!!
 

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I rode downhill for about 20 years before I got into this stuff. At first I was puzzled by comments about the mtb lacking grip etc compared to an enduro bike, because I thought the exact opposite when I changed! I could brake a lot harder and corner faster in pretty much all conditions on my dh bike. Then I saw that the bike in question is an old fuel. Nothing wrong with a fuel, I had one for a while as a second bike, but it’s an xc bike (or at least the old ones are, the new ones are longer, slacker, lower), with xc geometry and usually some skinny arse tyres. The long stem they come with puts too much weight over the front, and that isn’t helped by the steep head angle and short wheel base, the bottom bracket is high by today’s standards. A newer bike with a short stem (< 50mm), slack head angle, long wheelbase, and low bb, combined with wider rims and tyres, will be totally different. Some nice wide tubeless tyres will let you run pretty low pressures, especially if they have a dh carcass, without the tyre rolling on the rim - I would go as low as I could depending on how rocky/risk of pinch flat it was. An e bike will be even more stable and planted because of the weight. Depends what type of riding you’re doing as to how to set a bike up, if it’s mainly flat, or you’re more interested in distance/climbing, then setting a bike up for downhill or going fast, will be a bit of a pain.

Regarding the old bike/new bike argument. The biggest changes are wheel size and geometry, and these have made big differences to the way bikes ride. I think there’s an element of the emperor’s new clothes with suspension, at least at the back, forks are stronger and more reliable now. It’s still hard to beat a decent single pivot for fun.
 

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The only issues are my fitness, and my head seeing a four inch root and instinctively thinking "the suspension will handle that" like my enduro bike... Didn't quite go over the bars though....

I think I could get used to this and can see why people enjoy it as much as trail riding.
You’ll need to shift your weight back a fair bit for 4” roots on an xc bike :)
Coming at it from the other direction maybe gives me a different perspective, but it took me a while to start enjoying my exc250. I think flying down a downhill track at full speed is the best feeling in the world, just a shame my knees and feet can’t take the repeated pushes back to the top anymore.
 

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The MTB bike industry makes womens fashion look slow moving. Trouble is, its not just colours and styles. They change wheel sizes, wheel mounts, seat tube sizes etc etc etc and none of the stuff you already have fits the later standards.

Worst thing is, it's not always for the better. OK, some improvements work & get retained, but lots gets changed for (I think) change's sake.

My advice - be very suspicious of "new and improved" until you've either 1) Ridden it a lot, or 2) Lots of manufacturers have adopted it

Case in point, I once bought one of these ......... WTF was I thinking !

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My dad had one of those and I snapped it:(.
Luckily they had a lifetime warranty and got a 4 year newer frame. The thing used to dive like crazy under braking.
 

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Hey Al_Orange, You have a fantastic bike but maybe its not set up for you?? weight:air pressure:sag/rebound even the lock out might be on!! Its easy to get all the info online and well worth checking it out, any good cycle shop should also help with info. Your core will get a workout on an MTB and your balance will improve.......... both will help your enduro so dont give up!!!
Nice one, cheers. I've set the air pressure and fiddled with the clickers but I'm not doing anything that pushes the suspension. It's working well as I could just smash across extensive root sections without issue. Both ends need a good service though and they feel a bit harsh over the small chattery stuff.

I rode downhill for about 20 years before I got into this stuff. At first I was puzzled by comments about the mtb lacking grip etc compared to an enduro bike, because I thought the exact opposite when I changed! I could brake a lot harder and corner faster in pretty much all conditions on my dh bike. Then I saw that the bike in question is an old fuel. Nothing wrong with a fuel, I had one for a while as a second bike, but it’s an xc bike (or at least the old ones are, the new ones are longer, slacker, lower), with xc geometry and usually some skinny arse tyres. The long stem they come with puts too much weight over the front, and that isn’t helped by the steep head angle and short wheel base, the bottom bracket is high by today’s standards. A newer bike with a short stem (< 50mm), slack head angle, long wheelbase, and low bb, combined with wider rims and tyres, will be totally different. Some nice wide tubeless tyres will let you run pretty low pressures, especially if they have a dh carcass, without the tyre rolling on the rim - I would go as low as I could depending on how rocky/risk of pinch flat it was. An e bike will be even more stable and planted because of the weight. Depends what type of riding you’re doing as to how to set a bike up, if it’s mainly flat, or you’re more interested in distance/climbing, then setting a bike up for downhill or going fast, will be a bit of a pain.
Wrt to the Fuel, you describe it well in how it feels but it's still more than capable for my skill at the moment. I'm a proper beginner with lots to learn. I'm trying to get a feel for it before I commit to a new e-mtb.

I'm never going to be fast downhill. I'm not brave enough. I'm the same on the enduro bikes. I don't mind mega technical and tight stuff but I like to be able to stop when I want. Of course, hopefully MTB riding will help with enduro and vice versa.

You’ll need to shift your weight back a fair bit for 4” roots on an xc bike :)
Coming at it from the other direction maybe gives me a different perspective, but it took me a while to start enjoying my exc250. I think flying down a downhill track at full speed is the best feeling in the world, just a shame my knees and feet can’t take the repeated pushes back to the top anymore.
See above... I've always thought downhill riders are either super human or completely insane!

Mind you, I did do some stuff today that was much more advanced (i.e. not flat) than I thought I could do.
 

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I think the biggest thing when you’re beginning is moving your body weight around, it’s very different when you’re a lot heavier than the bike is! A cheap ‘fix’ for now might be sticking a bigger front tyre on, will help settle the front down and won’t make too much difference to pedalling effort.
 

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This thread got me interested in MTB as I used to ride quite alot a few years back . So as I had an old "Stumpjumper" I looked for an EV version ...Shit the new specialised turbo levo is north of 10K !! And we moan about 2020 KTMs prices. Looks like this is becoming another rich man's sport.
Back to skate boards at this rate
 

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You can get plenty of exceptionally good bikes for £1000 used.... not electric ones of course as they'e £2500 used for anything worthwhile.. but you can still get em.
 

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If you’re buying new, I think you’re best looking at one of the direct sales brands. YT and Canyon make some good bikes that cost about half what a similarly specced bike from the likes of Specialized or Trek would.
 

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Facebook Marketplace you can sometimes find a bargain if you’re prepared to fettle and service it. I’ve bought a couple off there recently, got an old Specialized with decent enough parts for £250
 

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Problem with YT is that any issue and it has to go back to Germany. I’ve heard people waiting weeks for their bikes to be sorted.
 

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Sounds like Ktm!
 

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Problem with YT is that any issue and it has to go back to Germany. I’ve heard people waiting weeks for their bikes to be sorted.
Yes, I know. That’s a decision for the individual, but given the prices I’d personally take the chance. I’ve a few mates who’ve bought YT bikes (2x Tues dh and a Capra), and they’re great. I’m not a big fan of the e13 kit they put on them, but I wouldn’t see it as a deal breaker.
 

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My dad had one of those and I snapped it:(.
Luckily they had a lifetime warranty and got a 4 year newer frame. The thing used to dive like crazy under braking.
Looked like a spaceship at the time - but the steering head steepened massively as the front compressed, pretty much exactly what you DONT want to happen.
 

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Yes, I know. That’s a decision for the individual, but given the prices I’d personally take the chance. I’ve a few mates who’ve bought YT bikes (2x Tues dh and a Capra), and they’re great. I’m not a big fan of the e13 kit they put on them, but I wouldn’t see it as a deal breaker.
And they’re really nice looking bikes too.
 

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I suppose its not very different than riding trails or technical.

Pick a line, determine the gears you'll need and just peddle through it.

I also got into mountain biking to get a bit fit and enjoy the same terrain albeit with my poor leg muscles lol.
 

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Get a Specialized Enduro S-Works....like riding a KTM, but just a little more expensive :)

Classic error with those new to full suspension MTB is the run too much air pressure thinking it will be more efficient to pedal.....set em up with 20 - 25% sag on the front and 30% on the back and will work better off-road.

There is a guy just north of London that does skills training, they call him the Jedi...think it is UK Bike Skills. He is really good at giving training to those that weren't bought up riding BMX. MTB are really for trails and single track (Trek Fuel), really tough slow enduro bike like riding isn't much fun.

I race motorbike enduro and push bike gravity enduro (Ard Moor, Ard Rock)......love the push bike stuff and modern bikes work wonderfully....trick to going fast is as little braking as poss. eBikes will feel more like MTB than motorbike.....
 

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I raced a few seasons of DH from 2012-2017 and loved it after years of MX but then got into enduro (moto) and been on this for a few years. Then tried an Ebike a year ago and bought it. I've clocked just over 1200miles in the last year, all offroad with next to no maintenance. Getting a decent set-up like Craig M said is really important - in my opinion more important than on an EXC as the bikes so much more sensitive. Having said that, if you have Fox suspension and follow their air pressure and clicker position settings for your weight, it's normally pretty good for most guys with just small adjustments either way.

Ebike prices are coming down, slowly! The Vitus is reasonable value now & there are a couple of others.
 
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