16k for new 1290 adventure s then they want £1200 to turn tech pack on think il keep my 2020
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17200 for a fully loaded bike is a hell of a deal when compared to what the competition offers...
If anything 16k for the base bike is a steal. You're definitely not getting a GSA or V4 multi for that...
KTM done a bad job at marketing it but you're definitely not getting ripped off once you tot up the final cost.
If anything 16k for the base bike is a steal. You're definitely not getting a GSA or V4 multi for that...
KTM done a bad job at marketing it but you're definitely not getting ripped off once you tot up the final cost.
They are all fucking robbing cunts who push how far they can rob you, all the same , cars and bikes, about time we told them to fuck off , just activate the stuff and give customers a RRP on the bike
I've gone Chinese, what's the worst that can happen
I've gone Chinese, what's the worst that can happen
Maybe but are they really?
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Well my 790r was £11.700 otr with rally mode included in 2019 the new one £13.400 plus a grand for tech pack 23 model
Plus are they not made in a different country now for more profit
Plus are they not made in a different country now for more profit
They are saying it's inflation that's utter bollox inflation for years was at a all time low and bikes still went up , admittedly inflation is high now but they were going up before
I remember buying a brand new 520exc £5.300 otr they 10k now?
I remember buying a brand new 520exc £5.300 otr they 10k now?
What's significant over the 790r over the 890r I rode a 890r for the day as I was going to upgrade and there wasn't a noticeable enough difference to make me change
Because the current 790s has different suspension ,Apex is shite ,chalk and cheese it's duke suspension ok for the road but has its limit
It's a few bhp but heavier there is nothing new , it has new clocks but does nothing the older 790 has it's a bored out 790 basically
It's a few bhp but heavier there is nothing new , it has new clocks but does nothing the older 790 has it's a bored out 790 basically
The want you to buy the latest shit that's why they rate it better , honestly it's probably a little bit faster has a little bit more torque, but just pub talk bollox , my 799 has loads of torque off road will spin up in most gears , it's not torque it's tyres where the grip comes from, you can have all the torque but without grip it's useless, speed wise your talking a bike length or two upto 100 mph nothing really so I find significantly better hard to swallow it's not moved on much , as for wind it's still the same with buffering , fitted a rade screen and removed mirrors made mine bearable
I think you’ve gotta be out of your mind to borrow money to buy a depreciating asset. If you want something bad enough, save up or sell other things to pay for it. Just bang the money down on the counter and try to get some extras or servicing thrown in for the best deal possible. Don’t get dragged into all that PCP malarkey.
Idk why in the world anyone would ever buy a bike on PCP when you have personal loans as low as 5%, which is what i've done to supplement what I received for my XR for getting my GT, over 4 years I'm paying 1 grand more than the bike's sticker value is, at the rate inflation is going right now I'm making money on financing over a one off cash payment!!
Sometimes you just gotta use your noodles...
Sometimes you just gotta use your noodles...
Cash is king for me , only thing I had a loan on is my house which is now paid for , nothing wrong with a good finance deal but cash is king , it's mine I own it, if I get ill or can't work I am not worrying about shit on finance , if I can't buy it outright I won't have it , these things were taught from my parents and stood me in good stead so far, I'm helping my sister out now , in debt fucking credit cards traveling around the world fake tits , lived with mam rent free not a pot to piss in because of finance , no unless I help she will be potentially homeless, so my plans for a few years are fucked because of her
I actually giving her a flat above my shop for free because I can't see her homeless, and think of my parents looking down , fucking fuming inside, and around 70k to get a extension on property which is my life savings which I will get that part for me , so when people say finance is a good thing it's not , if you can't afford it don't buy it, it's will stand you well
I actually giving her a flat above my shop for free because I can't see her homeless, and think of my parents looking down , fucking fuming inside, and around 70k to get a extension on property which is my life savings which I will get that part for me , so when people say finance is a good thing it's not , if you can't afford it don't buy it, it's will stand you well
Yeh, I kind of guessed you'd be looking at it like that.
The thing I can't argue with is that you get to have it now, and that in itself has value.
Inflation acting on the whole loan doesn't work when it comes to deprecating assets.
Your 10k might be equiv to 11k in a years time but your 1 year old depreciated assets isn't.
What is saving you is that you claim to be making more than the interest you're paying through your investments, which maybe the case now but might not be the case over the next 4 years. It's a gamble, if it wasn't then you'd max out on loans and invest that money too.
The thing I can't argue with is that you get to have it now, and that in itself has value.
Inflation acting on the whole loan doesn't work when it comes to deprecating assets.
Your 10k might be equiv to 11k in a years time but your 1 year old depreciated assets isn't.
What is saving you is that you claim to be making more than the interest you're paying through your investments, which maybe the case now but might not be the case over the next 4 years. It's a gamble, if it wasn't then you'd max out on loans and invest that money too.
That's true, with regards to the asset being deprecating, it'd be a consideration if I wanted to sell the bike. I don't. I've kept all my bikes I've owned either until they were beyond repair or I still have them (my 2003 XT600, 2011 ER6F, 1985 RG80)
My XR got written off, I was never gonna sell it.
My point is only, that if I wanted this bike, long term I'd have "paid" more if I bought it in cash.
I only have 5% interest on the loan for it, keep in mind personal loan not PCP or HP so I OWN the bike fully, and currently inflation offsets that completely.
Ofc anything to do with money is a risk but I'm sure as hell not losing sleep over having my bike now and having a loan for it, it's not a large monthly payment, I can easily manage it, and if shit hits the fan, I'll always be in a position to pay the remainder of the loan off as I'd have if I decided to buy the bike cash, or if not then sell the bike, and pay the cash. Early repayments on the loan also mean effectively even lower interest rate at the end of the day.
Plus you gotta look at the reality of the deal too, I learned this with my ER6 and XT600.
I bought the ER6 for 2,500 quid, it was a great bike but at now 55k miles I've spent at least 3k on it with various issues over the years, it just burned out a stator too, that's at least a 100 quid...
My XR I bought for 9,000, 47k miles, spent about 300 quid on "issues", consumables are realistically the same as the ER6 with the exception of tyres.
At the end of all this the ER6 is worth about 1.5k in it's current state if anyone would ever buy it,
The XR was valued at 7250, initially which I pumped up to close to 9.5k and I still have the OE boxes to pawn off...
If I didn't buy the GT now and would've gotten a crap bike or a cheap bike to bide me over I'd have spent a lot more money by the time I'd get the GT.
Sure I could buy a cheaper reliable bike like say a newish SV650 or smth but that's a massive downgrade from what I had for no real monetary benefit.
At the end of the day I only own a bike as a means of transportation and it's also a huge passion of mine, so the now is more important than the how much.
My XR got written off, I was never gonna sell it.
My point is only, that if I wanted this bike, long term I'd have "paid" more if I bought it in cash.
I only have 5% interest on the loan for it, keep in mind personal loan not PCP or HP so I OWN the bike fully, and currently inflation offsets that completely.
Ofc anything to do with money is a risk but I'm sure as hell not losing sleep over having my bike now and having a loan for it, it's not a large monthly payment, I can easily manage it, and if shit hits the fan, I'll always be in a position to pay the remainder of the loan off as I'd have if I decided to buy the bike cash, or if not then sell the bike, and pay the cash. Early repayments on the loan also mean effectively even lower interest rate at the end of the day.
Plus you gotta look at the reality of the deal too, I learned this with my ER6 and XT600.
I bought the ER6 for 2,500 quid, it was a great bike but at now 55k miles I've spent at least 3k on it with various issues over the years, it just burned out a stator too, that's at least a 100 quid...
My XR I bought for 9,000, 47k miles, spent about 300 quid on "issues", consumables are realistically the same as the ER6 with the exception of tyres.
At the end of all this the ER6 is worth about 1.5k in it's current state if anyone would ever buy it,
The XR was valued at 7250, initially which I pumped up to close to 9.5k and I still have the OE boxes to pawn off...
If I didn't buy the GT now and would've gotten a crap bike or a cheap bike to bide me over I'd have spent a lot more money by the time I'd get the GT.
Sure I could buy a cheaper reliable bike like say a newish SV650 or smth but that's a massive downgrade from what I had for no real monetary benefit.
At the end of the day I only own a bike as a means of transportation and it's also a huge passion of mine, so the now is more important than the how much.
You seem to take comfort in inflation, but inflation is irrelevant here as you're not investing.
Lets me summaries it as I see it.
You paid extra to buy your bike as you borrowed some money to do so. You are now hoping that the investments you made on an equal sum of money return more than the cost of the finance.
That's all there is to this, anything else is smoke & mirrors.
Lets me summaries it as I see it.
You paid extra to buy your bike as you borrowed some money to do so. You are now hoping that the investments you made on an equal sum of money return more than the cost of the finance.
That's all there is to this, anything else is smoke & mirrors.
I was lucky to have been given the pack free along with a £2,000 reduction (not trade in) on my 1290 sas plus a 4 year warranty for using finance. Cheers
Btw my 790r was £11.700 because I walked in with a quality street tin with 12k cash let the dealer look at it and smell it and although he didn't want cash it was a easy sale for him on finance I would of paid RRP 12k
Back in the mid 2000's I had a group of mates that started using stock market spread betting (via IG Index).
The markets were very good at the time and some of them made a fair bit of money, I even made a few hundred on the FTSE 100, but then lost it again as I didn't have a clue.
One decided to reward himself by buying a static caravan at a local seaside. He was going to use some of his profit to purchase it but did the sums and decided it made more sense to leave his stake in IG and instead took out a bank loan to buy the caravan. Fast forward 6 months and the markets crashed, most of his spread bets cancelled and much of his profits were wiped out.. but he still had that bank loan to cover.
I would take out credit if it was cheap enough and I had the money anyway, and there was a bank account that would return a worthwhile profit. I wouldn't invest though as the markets can swing suddenly and I think we are in (or just about to enter) a period of high volatility. Also I think most shares are overvalued, and that could change now we are exiting a period of low interest rates.
The markets were very good at the time and some of them made a fair bit of money, I even made a few hundred on the FTSE 100, but then lost it again as I didn't have a clue.
One decided to reward himself by buying a static caravan at a local seaside. He was going to use some of his profit to purchase it but did the sums and decided it made more sense to leave his stake in IG and instead took out a bank loan to buy the caravan. Fast forward 6 months and the markets crashed, most of his spread bets cancelled and much of his profits were wiped out.. but he still had that bank loan to cover.
I would take out credit if it was cheap enough and I had the money anyway, and there was a bank account that would return a worthwhile profit. I wouldn't invest though as the markets can swing suddenly and I think we are in (or just about to enter) a period of high volatility. Also I think most shares are overvalued, and that could change now we are exiting a period of low interest rates.
One good thing about this thread though (and ones like it recently), is that for me it has put KTM's actual pricing into prospective against other similar brands.
I'm not in the market for another bike, and never really considered getting a new bike anyway so it makes no difference to me...
But still.. I just don't like it. I would prefer if every bike had everything on it fully enabled so there is no redundant hardware on the bike.
I'm not in the market for another bike, and never really considered getting a new bike anyway so it makes no difference to me...
But still.. I just don't like it. I would prefer if every bike had everything on it fully enabled so there is no redundant hardware on the bike.
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