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690 Duke, strange cut outs.

31K views 94 replies 26 participants last post by  RichColours  
#1 ·
Went for a ride this morning, did everything as usual letting the bike idle for 5 minutes while I got my gear on. Got to the end of the road, stoped, then as I opened the throtle to pull away it cuts out.
Restart, then as I get to the next junction does it again. Pull over a bit to give it some revs, all seems fine, nice idle etc, then does it again at the next junction as I try to pull away.
After that no problems at all, went out for an hour or so didn't miss a beat, was out on it the day before to with no problems.
Anyone else had any of this sort of weirdness on their 690?
 
#2 ·
does the FI light flash?

i had this on my 690SMC, throttle response would just "stop" and the FI light flash - it would be fine after restarting, but do it again at odd intervals - turned out to be a bad earthing point
 
#5 ·
I have the same thing happen on my 690SMC, i let it idle for a few minutes when i start it, then at the first junction it will just cut out when i try to pull away but then is fine after restart, or if it isn't at the first junction its normally within 15-20minutes of riding then is totally fine after that.
But then again some rides it doesnt do it atall, just intermittent problem i think.
 
#6 ·
I have had that on the SM a couple of times, I found that it happened when I first ride it and as I pulled the clutch in, almost like it stalled rather then cut out. Hasn't happened for a while though;)
 
#8 ·
Hey chaps, I'm not one to post answers to problems as I'm mechanically challenged!... but, I've had a similar thing a couple of times with my 640. If it's the same thing as happens to mine, I pull the clutch in, put it into first and then as I'm about to pull away, the engine seems to stall... (which makes it look as if I've stalled the bike (rather embarrising!) but it's definately not my lack of skills.

my buddy told me that it could be something to do with the clutch plate not being warmed up or something?....

I'll get my coat! :eek:
 
#9 ·
My bike. KTM Duke 690 with Akro system 1000miles on clock, has been doing this a few times of late.
Once when pulling onto a roundabout with a car coming:eek:

I do get my FI light flashing.

TPS. I believe.

Dealer swears he has never heard of this happening. Ahem...

So why are we posting our problems on here, instead of allerting our dealers or KTM?
 
#10 ·
My 690 duke does the same. At least once per ride (usually sitting at traffic lights so you look like a right d**k). It's almost if I get a slight backfire and the engine cuts out. At 1st I thought it was me just stalling the bike as I initially noticed it when I was trying to pull away, but it happens sometimes when you just pull in the clutch and engage 1st.

It happened once when I was slowing down for a set of traffic lights, and the traffic lights changed and the bike just cut out. Luckily i had enough momentum (and in the right lane) to allow me to coast to the side of the road. The car behind me had to brake quite sharply and thankfully for me he was paying adequate attention.

I've noticed that the clutch rocker coupling has fell off mine, so hopefully this is the problem however on http://ktmtalk.com there is a big discussion on it.

BTW JSG I've reported this twice to my West of Scotland dealer and he'll be looking at it once I get my replacement clocks in.
 
#15 ·
Hi Dutch.

As mentioned I have the Akro system and map.

I contacted dealer. Who were bemused. (They hadn't heard of this before..???) and have decided to take my bike in next saturday as the weather is to good to miss this week. I am still getting cut outs.(Still embarassing). and the FI light still comes on, now and again. But bike is too brilliant, to want to leave at dealers for too long, while they get it sorted out.

Still.:)
 
#16 ·
I find it hard to believe that any dealer would claim "We haven't heard of this before" - Maybe you should point them in the direction of this forum, where I suspect that a number of them have a wee look (and even contribute) once in a while?

The dealer should be able to interrogate the fi system using their pc - although the standard fix for most problems seems to be the "leave the bike with us" and they simply wait until the engine is stone cold and then do the 'fire it up and leave alone for 15 mins' exercise to reset the ECUs.
 
#17 ·
Yep! I did mention the fact to the dealer.

They pointed out that from the bikes they have sold. Noone else has complained.

I dunno? I have been here before with KTM. It does get fixed... eventually!

Sure! We could all do the 15min fix ourselves.

It is the fact that. This fault is Sooo. intermitant that it fools us all.

It used to be called character. But having been Motorcycling for the past 30 odd years.( Had Ducatis and RG500s As well as the MK1 Duke) I now call it a "Pain in the Arse".

If we knew that it was a trait of All FI 690s. Then so be it.

It isn't! So where is the fix?

There are guys out there. Hauling all and sundry off there bikes. Trying to find a cure. None have come up with the definitive answer yet.

Why should they? It is a manufacturing fault, that should be cured at source.

Blipping the throttle betwen 2nd and 1st. Or feathering the clutch. Doesn't make any difference. Taking wires out/Rerouting Fuel tank breather?/Sidestand switches/battery earth. Mmm...? It cuts out Hot/Cold FI light On/off. Whether you have furry mittens or calf length boots on. It doesn't matter.
It happens to some Bikes. and not all. So it must be a problem of manufacture. Yes?
 
#21 ·
......It used to be called character. But having been Motorcycling for the past 30 odd years.( Had Ducatis and RG500s As well as the MK1 Duke) I now call it a "Pain in the Arse". ...... It happens to some Bikes. and not all. So it must be a problem of manufacture. Yes?
With the exception of KTMax, its funny how none of the 'experts' can diagnose exactly what is causing the problems and then propose a solution that actually works. KTM bikes seem to have a number of problems that appear to relatine to fuel injection - just read the posts on the 690, Superduke and RC8 models on this forum and others.

I'm beginning to wonder if KTM's design and research and development (R&D) teams were recruited at random from a queue of yoofs outside Macdonalds and Pizza Hut.

You don't need a Cray Inc computer or Sherlock Holmes to realise that some owners are rather disappointed with their bikes.

So is the problem down to the design and original specification, or is it to do with production and assembly, or poor PDI by the dealers, or rider error, or a lack of technical understanding and training for dealers?

Maybe time that some people in Austria woke up and started delivering technical solutions.
 
#23 ·
Yes it is Sad! But all these posts are pertaining to the same problem.
Phoned my dealer today.(They are 70miles/112Kms away). And they said that they would have to contact KTM. (Remembering. This is a warrenty issue.So Dealer has to contact Manufacturer. It is his business to do so.)
No reply as yet.
As the TPS. adjustment had clearly not worked on my Bike. It would appear KTM only notify solutions when contacted by dealer pertaining to specific problems. On picking up bike from initial diagnosis cure:frown: The mechanic informed me "That he hadn't had to set up this type of system before" and that it was purely done, through liasson with the factory.

A replacement part was mentioned if this solution didn't work. I don't remember what this part was. ECU?
 
#25 ·
:D
Hi Jurassic.

The Earth strap on the Duke is connected to the gearbox casing AFAIK. Bike is only 2 months old! And runs like a dream. It is only on Clutch in First gear that it stalls. Just like has been posted by many on this and U.S. Forum. KTM Duke 690 with Akro fitment.
 
#27 ·
Yes Indeed.

They have been specialising in KTM for a while now. And I was impressed with their setup when I contacted them about servicing my SuperDuke a couple of years ago. When Original Edinburgh dealer went Bust.
Before the SD. I used to use a more Local dealer who gave up when KTM went FI. as the Diag system was too expensive for his outlay. :frown:
 
#29 ·
As per the other thread about tuning our bikes, we spend quite some time at Sommer KTM the last weeks. They are the largest, and in my view & experience best, KTM specialist in Europe and they are pretty close to the factory. We have a good relationship with them for years. They have a lot 690s running.

Triggered by the amount of problems and complaints on this forum I really wanted to know the bottom line about the quality of the 690s. I've posted this before and it will probably sound hard to believe but right from the start the 690 range have been the best KTM models from a reliability, problems and warranty point of view. They told me that during the last 20 years or so there hasn't been any model with less problems and updates than the 690. LC8's and RC8 included.

If anything, this is our own experience too. My current 690 SMR is my 5th KTM. Besides 2 dashes that need to be replaced, the 5 different 690s in our group are all trouble free so far.

I know this isn't of much help to those who have niggles but it's not all trouble with the 690s.
 
#30 ·
:) Don't Fret KTMax

This is my 7th KTM. And I love the bikes. But seen as I cannot contact KTM. Direct. I have to Contact Dealer or post on this Forum. To see if anyone has or is having a similar experiences. That's to reassure oneself that. "It is. Not just me". Quite Frankly I am astonished at the power combined with economy I am getting from my Duke III. But I would trade a little of one to be assured that my bike isn't going to stall out unexpectantly and put myself in danger beyond my control.

And so it's back to the Dealer to try and fix this. No-one Either on this Forum or in U.S. has come up with a difinitive answer to the stalling problems encountered by a significant number of owners. And especially after Akro fitment.
I am purely talking about The 2008 Duke with Dealer installed/ mapped. Akro system. No other. I still enjoy KTMs. And am sure a solution will be found and then. I and others will be able to enjoy their Bikes as intended.:burnout: